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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2013, 01:17:42 am »

I read somewhere said JFK was in a *plastic liner* instead of a medical official body bag? That significance was trying to lie that JFK arrived in the bronze expensive heavy casket from Parkland that a plastic liner was put inside because of the blood still oozing from the head wounds and THAT was the mistaken body bag. (Where's the zipper buddy? LOL)

Here again I have found Paul O'Conner given interview (JFK autopsy worker, military permission to testify) and clearly states JFK arrived in a *zipped* body bag..... pasted ...

 "Casket Switch - Arrived Body Bag Zipped, Not plastic liner,249.msg471.html#msg471
 Paul O'Conner was in Autopsy team at Bethesda and was given permission to speak by the Military who had all take an oath and sign document to not to speak about the autopsy. This permission was given at the second hearings years after the Warren Commission. He as well testified to the President "had no brain... less than a handful" - but left Parkland Hospital Dallas as Doctors testifying "about one third of his brain had been blown out". The two caskets are documented. The casket switch and alterations occurred in flight from Dallas.

 Here in this Video again Paul O'Conner giving interview explains JFK arrival to autopsy room and plainly states JFK was in a "body bag zipped" which he being in the military and autopsy worker is describing an actual body bag. Some one (s) tried to say JFK was in the "plastic liner" from Parkland. This is not true. Body bag is a medical and military term for the body bag as all America saw almost every night on television reports from the Viet Nam War - the many dead soldiers in zipped closed body bags. This video starts at 6Minutes/33seconds into the clip to this exact interview about the two caskets and zipped body bag..."


Here is an interesting homemade video. Shows the other drain storm down at the Triple Underpass. Author makes some observations. The footage is invaluable to those who did not can not make the trip to Dealey Plaza. Presumably, this drain system entry area was their in Nov 22 1963? There was the Trinity River area where possible suspect(s) were seen just after the assassination.


Here are a lot of good photographs and apparently the above video shows the drain system "hatch: was indeed there on Nov 22 1963... (I am familiar with the sewer drain assassin theory but I don't feel JFK was shot from there on Elm)...

I of course have posted in my research the third shot to the head causing the rear blow out wound was fired from front and down towards the overpass. Seems these may show a possible escape route for that event. The direct evidence shows the third round via the rear blow out which happened an instant after the first two hit.
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2013, 01:18:58 am »

A FACT SHEET : On Security and Secret Service Inconsistencies in the JFK Assassination

by Vince Palamara

[Vincent M. Palamara has done the most painstaking research and results on the Secret Service pertaining to their role in the JFK Assassination. Many call him "the expert".]

Summary : Recent interviews with many of the Secret Service agents that protected JFK, a number of whom where in Dallas on November 22, 1963 -- along with recently declassified documents -- contradict history's official verdict that President Kennedy was difficult to protect and was somehow indirectly responsible for his own death by foregoing security measures that would have aided in saving his life. The following "fact sheet" was prepared as a basic and general summarization of some of the more salient points in the author's research for the book "THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE ..."


Fact #1:
Contrary to recent testimony before Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr by current Secret Service Director Lewis Merletti and Deputy Assistant Attorney General Gary Grindler, President Kennedy did not instruct agents not to ride on the rear bumper of his car several days before Dallas. Former agents Gerald A. Behn (#1 man on JFK s detail), Floyd M. Boring (the #2 man), Arthur L.Godfrey (another top man, one of the three Shift Leaders on Kennedy's Texas trip), Rufus W. Youngblood (#2 man on LBJ s detail on 11/22/63, riding in the V.P.'s car), Samuel A. Kinney (the driver of the Secret Service follow-up car in Dallas), Dave Powers (loyal Kennedy aide who rode with Kinney), Cecil Stoughton (White House photographer in the Dallas motorcade), Donald J. Lawton (also on the Texas trip), Martin E. Underwood (Democratic National Committee advance man for JFK's trip to Houston), Robert I. Bouck (head of the Protective Research Section), Robert Lilley (a member of JFK's detail from election night until one month before Dallas), Maurice G. Martineau (the agent in charge of the Chicago office), Abraham W. Bolden (the first black member of the White House Detail), and John Norris (a member of the Uniformed Division), collectively and in no uncertain terms, told me that President Kennedy never ordered the agents off the rear of his car, was not difficult to protect, and , in fact, was very cooperative with the Secret Service. Jerry D. Kivett (who rode in the V.P. follow-up car in Dallas) and June Kellerman (widow of the #3 man on Kennedy's detail) also confirmed to me that Kennedy was not difficult to protect for the Secret Service. More than anything else, this debunks the "JFK as scapegoat" notion of history -- and the buck stops with the Secret Service.

Fact #2:
Contrary to all prior accounts, including those attributed to President Kennedy himself, former agent Samuel A. Kinney was adamant to me, on three occasions, that he was SOLELY responsible for the bubbletop's removal on that fateful day in Dallas.

Fact #3:
The Secret Service was knowledgeable about prior recent threats to President Kennedy but, not only was nothing done to relay this information to the agents in Dallas, at least 3 separate checks of the Protective Research Section for any threats or harmful subjects in Dallas yielded nothing, something two agents, Roy H. Kellerman (to the Warren Commission) and Abraham Bolden (to me), said was highly unusual, to say the least. DNC advance man Marty Underwood told me that he was getting all sorts of rumors, merely 18 hours before the assassination, that JFK was to be assassinated in Dallas, even conveying this information to President Kennedy himself, who told Underwood not to worry (indeed, JFK had told San Antonio Congressman Henry Gonzalez that the Secret Service had taken care of everything and, thus, there was no need for worry)! Agent Kinney told me that there was a scare four days before Dallas when Kennedy was in Florida, separate from the accurate assassination prediction of one Joseph Milteer (an ardent right-wing supporter), in Miami on November 9, 1963. Agent Bouck told me he was aware of this threat knowledge before Dallas (and documents confirm that the Secret Service did indeed have material regarding this in their files). Five years before the revelations of the four agents who spoke to Seymour Hersh, Bouck told me he also was aware of Kennedy's philandering, crucial compromising information for a top man in Kennedy's detail to have.

Fact #4:
Although Kennedy normally had much motorcycle "coverage" in his motorcades, including at least 3 to 6 motorcycles riding on each side of the car on all prior Texas stops, as well as many other foreign and domestic trips in 1963, the plans were altered by the Secret Service for Dallas, giving JFK a measly 4 non-flanking outriders: the reason being that, as with the allegations that JFK did not want the men on the car (debunked) or the bubbletop (debunked ), the president did not want a lot of motorcycles, especially ones right by his side, which effectively opened him up to crossfire and/ or eliminated more key professionally-trained eye and ear witnesses from the scene (and out of harm's way). My interviews with agents Sam Kinney and Arthur Godfrey dispelled the notion that JFK ever said that he did not want motorcycles by the car, as films, photos, and the prior Texas stops make quite clear in and of themselves.

Fact #5:
Although Secret Service Chief James J. Rowley adamantly denied to the Warren Commission that his agency was responsible for the printing of the motorcade route in Dallas, the author has traced the critical decision back from LBJ aide Bill Moyers to what Moyers described as "the agent in charge of the Dallas trip"!

Fact #6:
In a related matter, the motorcade route itself went against both common sense and Secret Service protocol by involving turns of 90 and 120 degrees, which slowed the limousine down to a dangerous speed by both the Texas School Book Depository (Oswald's alleged lair) and the infamous grassy knoll area --- DNC advance man Underwood and uniformed agent Norris were two men who strongly criticized the route in interviews with this author. Furthermore, the #1 agent in the president's detail, Jerry Behn, told me that the Dallas route was changed from some other (unknown) choice, as the House Select Committee on Assassinations asked him in Executive Session in still unpublished testimony in the late 1970s. Furthermore, agents Kinney and Winston G. Lawson confirmed for this author that there were indeed alternate routes (two, according to Kinney), and the author discovered much confusion in the newspapers and perhaps unwitting obfuscation in the strangely conflicting accounts of the route Kennedy was to take in Dallas.

Fact #7:
The press photographers who normally rode in a flatbed truck directly in front of JFK's limousine, as they had done countless times before, were relegated to a position "out of the picture" well behind the president's limousine. According to reporter Tom Dillard, this change occurred at "the last minute" at Love Field, where two Secret Service agents, Winston G. Lawson (who the author interviewed) and Roger Warner, were responsible for lining up the cars for the motorcade, including the use of numbers for the automobiles. In addition, JFK aides Godfrey McHugh and Ted Clifton -- one of whom usually rode in the front seat of the limousine taking notes between the two agents -- were also relegated to a position behind JFK and out of sight. McHugh said that this was unusual and that this was achieved through a first-time ever request by the president's aide Ken O'Donnell and the Secret Service. Furthermore, official White House photographer Cecil Stoughton, who normally rode in the Secret Service follow-up car taking films and photos, including even riding on the rear of Kennedy''s car from time to time, was also moved to a position far out of view ofthe presidential limousine (Stoughton rode in the back-up car from July 1963 until 11/21/63, the day before the assassination). Stoughton would not give the author a reason for this change in seating arrangements in Dallas. Finally, the White House and pool Press Busses, which also normally rode close to JFK, were positioned far to the rear and out of harm's way.

Fact #8:
Dallas Sheriff Bill Decker, who rode in the lead car in front of JFK's limousine in Dallas, ordered his men not to participate in the security of the motorcade, according to Dallas Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig.Surprisingly, as this author discovered, Decker had offered his "full support" to the agent in charge of the Dallas office, Forrest V. Sorrels (a fellow passenger in the lead car), a mere day before the assassination. In addition, the car that Decker, Sorrels, Lawson, and Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry were riding in was a CLOSED SEDAN, not a convertible, which was a most ineffective choice for monitoring windows and other security concerns.

Fact #9:
An important discovery by the author was found in the video from ABC television's Dallas/ Fort Worth affiliate WFAA depicting the start of the fateful motorcade at Love Field: agent Henry J. Rybka is shown being recalled by shift leader (and commander of the follow-up car detail) Emory P. Roberts. As the limo begins leaving the area, Rybka's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language of throwing his arms up several times before, during, and after the follow-up car passes him by, despite agent Paul E. Landis making room for Rybka on the running board of the car. After the assassination, the author discovered three different reports, two of which were written by Roberts on 11/22/63, which mistakenly place Rybka IN the follow-up car! Emory Roberts would go on to make a mysterious radio broadcast (depicted in the famous Altgens's photo), separate from his calls before and after the shooting, which is unaccounted for in the record (the Secret Service's radio transmissions, if transcribed, have yet to surface) offered no assistance to the president himself --- not even a shout of alarm or an alert to his men; recalled agent John D. Ready, which was erroneously blamed on the speed and distance of the two cars (as borne out by the descriptions and changes---in Roberts and Ready's reports); and, amazingly, according to the driver of the follow-up car seated right beside
Roberts, Sam Kinney, the shift leader ordered the men not to move -- although Roberts was one of a select few who recognized the first shot as a rifle blast. As nine agents were involved in the infamous late-night drinking incident the night before the assassination, including four on the follow-up car, the actions and inactions of Roberts were crucial to JFK's security (even the late arrival of agent Clinton J. Hill, who was assigned to Jackie).

Fact #10:
Windows were not systematically watched in Dallas, since no order was given (as confirmed by Dallas policeman Perdue Lawrence), although it was agent Lawson's "usual instructions" to do so. Also in regard to Lawson's responsibilities, the Dealey Plaza triple underpass was NOT cleared of spectators (as Lawson himself testified that he was trying to wave them off shortly before the shooting began). In addition, ambulances (such as the one on standby for JFK that was called to Dealey Plaza five minutes before Kennedy arrived to pick up an alleged "epileptic seizure" victim) were called to this same area on false alarms in the days and weeks before November 22, as ambulance driver Aubrey Rike told me ( He even stated that the FBI believed there was something to this)!

Fact #11:
The president and the vice president were permitted in the same city in slow, open vehicles in close proximity to each other -- former agents Lawson and Bolden stressed how unusual this was. In Bolden's case, he stated that this was a security hazard, as common sense would seem to dictate (keeping in mind that the First Lady was ALSO in this motorcade). Further complicating and confounding matters, the driver of the presidential limousine car, Secret Service agent Bill Greer, slowed the limousine down during the shooting, looked back twice at the president, disobeyed his superior, Roy H. Kellerman, who told him to get out of line before the fatal shot was fired, and,at least part of the way, led the race to Parkland Hospital -- actions that agent Greer later denied to the Warren Commission -- despite the testimony of others, the films, and the photographs (this author is the first researcher to put ALL of these elements together).

Fact #12:
Surprisingly, several of these agents told the author that they believe there was indeed a conspiracy to murder President Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963---Sam Kinney, Abraham Bolden, Maurice Martineau, Marty Underwood, and John Norris are the men that believed this to be the case. In addition, June Kellerman, widow of the late Roy Kellerman, as well as their daughter, stated that both Roy and Bill Greer knew there was more to the assassination than what was officially pronounced. Finally, two key elements discovered by the author may be the "living answers" to the security concerns and planning for JFK's Texas trip: Lawson's forgotten partner, David B. Grant, who joined Lawson in Dallas four days beforehand -- and was working with him since November 13, 1963 -- and Floyd M. Boring, who, although back in Washington, was in charge of all of the advance work during the Kennedy years AND was in charge of planning the Texas trip from the Secret Service's viewpoint!


Used by permission of the author. [C} Vincent M. Palamara 1998

Updated December 1999



Vince Palamara takes on JFK Secret Service Agent Clint Hill + Part 2

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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2013, 01:19:49 am »

Snowden said on twiter that on November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, will reveal who really killed President John F K.

Hint: let me guess, he had died on Feb 11 2013? If not you are full of it! Duhh.
(Not a fan of Snowjob).

Those alive back then may clearly remember at least two incidents of premonitions or dreams or visions or prophecy about the assassination. Rev. Billy Graham had a premonition and tried but failed to warn President Kennedy not to go to Dallas.

Jean Dixon who became a household name had a bit more than that. This is VERY interesting to read. I have a retrieved here a link showing the actual newspaper story......,4205796

You hate to speak out if this happened to you (seeing something so to speak) because you may get immediately tagged as an Area 51 Looney or nut job or etc etc etc. Since two things are recent, what I have "seen" and now the Snowden Array for JFK Day, I will say what I was shown. It seems intriguing if this Snowden thing is not a farce or hoax etc. I will put up in advance and see how compares. Of course what I have "seen" or was "shown" to me is because of being of Faith. It is in the common Bible Studies that it is taught we test these things to see if true, and if even from the Lord. Some of these verses....

Deuteronomy 13:1
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Jeremiah 23:28
28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.
29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord.
Joel 2:28 
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call. 

I John 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 


The first thing seen was Lee Harvey Oswald shot from behind and the bullet entered about towards the top of the head (a little lower) and a little to the right from center. There is an autopsy photograph and that entry wound hole appears - small, neat, round, like size of a pencil that is typical by a high powered rifle as a military carbine and others. (It may be he shot from a different place then alleged). The rifle was not the one found. It was a special equipped wirelessly fired electronic firing pin rifle. First shot of three almost simultaneous in specific order.

The second thing seen was the shooter behind the white or light colored retaining wall on the Grassy Knoll - right to the immediate right of the people running up the steps of the Grassy Knoll. It is exactly the place of the "Black Dog Man". This person has died this year as last of the three, on February 11, 2013. His name is revealed as Rem Vyakhirev. He fired a special exploding round from a special equipped rifle with wireless control to fire with electronic firing pin in the rifle. This was the second shot of the three specifically fired as almost instantaneous as the first shot but purposely to be instantly second.
Rem Viakhirev (APPROX. 29 YEARS OLD IN 1963)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Russia's 100 Richest
Rem Vyakhirev
Net Worth: $ 1.3 billion
(including his close relatives' share in the business)
Primary Source: Gazprom (quote), natural gas (NOTE "NATURAL GAS MAGNATE" PLAYS IMPORTANT PART)
Age: 69 (2004)

The third which actually began all until recognized was shown as David Ferrie. My research found delving through the many works and pages the exit wound on the back of the President's head below the massive damage seen in the front - down below that on the back of the head and right side "about the size of a clenched fist or perhaps a little smaller". This is generally called the "rear blow out wound". This is an exit wound from a round fired from the front down from around the Triple Overpass area. This was fired from a specially equipped rifle with wireless control and electronic firing pin equipped. It was purposely the third shot of the three in the EXACT order 1-2-3. The testimony and drawings are there by Doctors/Witnesses but the autopsy fudged pictures show/say some flap was pulled up over it hiding it. That is what was given to the Warren Commission which would go Public. There has been a lot of researcher work done with this and shows no flap but a "rear blow out" from a FRONT SHOT. It was considered and dismissed that pressure from the exploding tipped round caused the rear blow out wound as a flap blown out.
(It seems David Ferrie might have been going to confess to D.A. Garrison in New Orleans but before so was presumed murdered, dead under suspicious causes just before hearings).

The ultimate shock is that Rem Vyakhirev has been identified as that 6th king of all the world as that underground head of Red Communism at the time, but who became The Beast (666 guy) the 8th "who is of the seven" (6th, get it?). You will see in my posted Bible Studies that Osama Bin Laden was the False Prophet. These were the players in the Book of Revelation in the Holy Bible and reminds me of John Lennon's song to his son saying "the monster is dead, see you in the park". (KInd of dead bangs that old saying "see you in the park after dark".)

Waiting for SnowdenJob,

Thanks to Bill and Jean!

Ding *D*o*n*g the wicked witch is dead|
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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2014, 10:48:07 pm »

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Secret agent Clint Hill publicly stated (it is on youtube) that right after the first shot, the agent in Vice-President's limo, who was sitting in the front seat, got up and over his seat and jumped on Johnson as he was trained to do.

Right after the first shot, both Secret Service agents in the front seat of JFK's limo turned around to see JFK in distress. They had 5 secs to act before the shot to the head.

Secret Service agent William Greer, the driver, slowed down the limo to almost a stop. Why didn't he step on the gas and get the hell out of there as he was trained to do?

Why didn't Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, sitting next to William, make an attempt to get up and jump over the President to shield him as Secret Service Agents are trained to do?



Roy Kellerman's assignment was to jump on the President in this event. He choose to play with the radio for the "five seconds" he admitted. William Greer is one of the conspirators of the Secret Service involvement *obviously* instructed to slow the limo to 6-8 mph walking speed in the Grassy Knoll kill zone, as they are found guilty of disposing of the President's remaining brain aboard Air Force One. Of those in the follow car, those giving orders to stand down are the other found guilty of Conspiracy before the fact. ...... See Vince Palamara who has been dubbed the "expert" on the Secret Service of that time and day

.....Clint Hill on the surface appears as not involved, but the *only* Agent that day performing his duty. If we apply "extreme prejudice" and view, this can be seen as just part of the pretend concerned, as he was supposed to be on the rear boards of the Presidential Limo according to the security warnings that day. Clint Hill was supposed to be protecting the First Lady against cross fire gun play scenarios etc.

Was he really protecting Jackie? Hell no with the possibility of Badge Man firing with an exit wound hitting her and killing her from that specific angle and found as above 90-95 percent certainty a shot was fired from there or dummy round in the least (smoke).

Clint Hill may have been told "get up there" to protect their asses when Jackie was crawling hysterically out on the back of the limo after fatal shots. What would that have looked like if she fell off with all the dumb ass drunk agents laughing at her. Yes they would have got it for sure - so Clint Hill in attempting to save face runs to "her assistance'.

As well, the extreme prejudice view shows the "shrugging of shoulders, wtf" (what the freak) of the other agent(S) during direct evidence stand down orders well prior to this can be viewed again as the dog show of "concerned" but leaves "plausible deniability" to Command which the Warren Commission like the 911 Commission gave suggested guidelines to a better Secret Service preventative protection plan - accepting the Command excuses.

.... (simply upon receiving JFK in Bethesda with his entire brain missing, the Secret Service Detail should have been all arrested immediately. The Gov chose not to). Greer's excuse of hitting the brake pad by mistake instead of the gas is not acceptable in the least as a wrongful death charge by *gross* negligence. That applies to Greer as well. Roy Kellerman seemed to be ducking shots and brain matter anticipated while pretending acting in procedure to the events - "playing with the radio".

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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2014, 10:51:06 pm »

Jack Ruby Silenced Oswald is a Lie, Debunked

What my post here will do is completely debunk this classic contention virtually all JFK researchers have promoted all these years falsely, causing so many to err from truth. It as well shows that there is no such thing as President LBJ was in on it and set up the Commission to cover up the truth. Having Jack Ruby murder Lee Harvey Oswald is the LAST thing accused conspirators internally would have wanted. What they would have wanted was Oswald to stand trial and be found guilty and put to death like modern day Tim McVeigh in the Oklahoma Bombing Terrorist Act. CASE CLOSED ! Because once that happened, there was NO way to re-open the case, it is illegal in America to do so.

Review all the many YouTubes and testimony and reports of the Dallas P.D. and District Attorney Wade of Dallas and newspapers and television reports - all saying they "had their man", the "case is cinched", we are "certain beyond a doubt we have the right man" etc etc etc.

The only cover up neccessary is what did occur - the Secret Service commandeering the body of JFK from Parkland Hospital to perfrom the autopsy in Bethesda that gave them the opportunity to destroy damning evidence via removing the President's brain en route aboard Air Force One. They played their hand, revealed, as betting on switching caskets onboard (plain shipping casket) and radioing ahead to deliver it first to the rear at Bethesda and the actual expensize bronze casket JFK was placed in at Parkland was as a decoy dog show and photo opp - which later was delivered to the rear of Bethesda. They hoped this would allow for, and create, the neccessary confusion by all personnel at Bethesda that somewhere between the two caskets that officially the Govt. had special occassion to remove the brain for examination and evidence to pursue any conspiracy of more than one shooter - first before the official autopsy would ensue. That they presumably would believe without asking that any national seucrity measure was in place and being a military autopsy, no one questioning orders. As well, knowing the medical condition of JFK (doctors with medical bag daily giving President medical injections etc) they planned on the Kennedy Family itself (Jackie and Bobby) forbidding, or in the least requesting, certain procedures of a full autopsy where not performed, which they did. As well, all autopsy evidences would naturally go to the lock up of the Archives as they hoped sealed them from investigation and arrest - which also occurred.

NOW WE GO TO DALLAS...... (next)

Again, review all said that the case was all but closed and that Oswald was going to be convicted - period - and get the death penalty.

Let's review my post on Dallas D.A. Wade to learn of his reputation as a Prosecutor.....  WE CAN PLAINLY SEE THAT DALLAS D.A. HENRY WADE WAS A VERY HARD NOSE D.A. AND BASICALLY WENT FOR CONVICTIONS..... HE WOULD HAVE NAILED OSWALD TO THE CROSS....

 Sequester: Dallas County D. A. Henry Wade et al
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Sequester: Dallas County D. A. Henry Wade et al

Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade sequester,236.0.html


Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade sequester,236.0.html

In a simple brief lifetime review of Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade (JFK, Oswald, Ruby) in the article below, it is VERY CLEAR about the reputation of Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade - not the legacy wished - that aligns D.A. Wade in any realm of the legal instrument of "impingement" (as with evidence) as to set aside ALL involvement with the Murder/Assassination Investigation of President John F. Kennedy, and this includes of course Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby events.

DALLAS — As district attorney of Dallas for an unprecedented 36 ye
19 convictions undone in Dallas - US news - Crime & courts | NBC ...
After Dallas DA’s death, 19 convictions undone
Most cases involved black defendants; some praise preservation of DNA

Henry Wade
(Dallas County District Attorney - JFK, Oswald, Ruby)
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However appropriately worded and invoked, should lay to the side as sequestered ( ALL involvement by Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade and ALL under him, involved. This concludes that jurisdiction over the Murder/Assassination Investigation of President John F. Kennedy (includes of course Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby events) CAN NOT be relied on or accepted and NOT jurisdiction of the investigation. This means ALL involvement by Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade and ALL under him is in review for investigation.

It is plain and evident that in these areas historically resulted in actual Civil War to secure Due Process of Law under the United States Constitution as Law of the Land. In other words, ANY public and fair trial did not even exist until victory - and then necessarily adding so many laws to enforce Liberty and Justice for over 100 years. This is not even mentioning Jury. It is mentioning simple basic Bill of Rights Law.

And so district authority is removed in the cases, and in place the remedy by Law as to whether Federal necessary upon inquest. What applies.... "...which district shall have been previously ascertained by law..." .....

The Bill of Rights and Other Amendments - U.S. Constitution
(Bill of Rights)
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Ironically, this is as well a basis for Atty. Mark Lane who agreed with Mrs. Oswald to defend Lee Harvey Oswald before the Warren Commission, as is the Rights of ALL Americans as Due Process of Law.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Again, district authority is removed in the cases is apparent until.....

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 25
3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)

ORIGINAL LAW states....
"....until the Disability be removed...."

This is extended as inference to ALL positions of Government - Federal, State, Local, other - and certainly applies to ALL involvement by Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade and ALL under him in the Murder/Assassination Investigation of President John F. Kennedy (includes of course Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby events). In the least is saying a review is in order. In the least is saying to reopen the case in that jurisdiction requires these such events of impingement and sequestration. Much as US Courts of Appeals ( sat to hear Appeals for the Supreme Court, whether valid to proceed, there must be a similar Judicial authority in place of the Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade and ALL under him involved AS WELL AS EXTENDS to the Presidential Commission as the Warren Report and its validity or even jurisdiction or to be itself sequestered as impingement itself to the case(s).

Of course I hold that America has an "appellate jurisdiction" meaning NO intervention by ANY body of Law or Judicial has ANY legal right to say or declare what cases they will hear or not.....

Article III
Section 2.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

And so apparently "politics, the science of spin city" has turned the Law as "the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction" somehow now means they have the right by and with "such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make" - has turned the Law into being unlawfully interpreted as meaning these have the right to judge what appeal the Supreme Court will accept to hear, with their bullcrap excuses and reasons for the others they decide not to hear. This IS denial of Due Process. The Law, "...the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction" is defining the role, authority, and power of the Supreme Court in the United States as being the appeal receiver from LOWER COURTS to rule on it, as these Justices are to be our best as understanding our Law. It is defining them NOT as having some despot power or all power in all court and Law of the Land and so on. It defines them as NOT having some tyrannical posistion, but is defining them rather as a last resort in America per Appeal in hearing a case that seems to be above understanding of posistion, or some unlafwfullness in fact or witness etc etc etc. - in hearing in lower courts. THIS the Founding Fathers made Law of the Land by and with Americans so that for any nefarious (dark) reason a lower court could not wrongfully and illegally put Americans to hurt with some political view and interpretation of the Law as convenient to serve their means against someone. ALL Americans have the Right Of Appeal in the United States. In less terms, there is NO attachment to the Right of Appeal in America - period.

I site the foundation by Imminent Domain (and as upheld by God) as to the interpretation of Law as precedent being the Declaration of Independence being cause and reason for the institution of the United States Constitution.... "transient causes"...

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance....."

Need I say more about Chief Justice William Howard Taft ?

This is unconstitutional in my opinion and anyone American or sane....
"....The right of automatic appeal for most types of decisions of a court of appeals was ended by an Act of Congress, the Judiciary Act of 1925. This law was urged by Chief Justice William Howard Taft, and it also reorganized many other things in the federal court system. ...."

Again, I hold that America has an "appellate jurisdiction" meaning NO intervention by ANY body of Law or Judicial has ANY legal right to say or declare what cases they will hear or not hear. That is denial of due process of the law - appellate jurisdiction as Law of the Land, period. As well this means NO one has any right to determine "validity" or 'grounds" for any appeal. THE APPEAL is heard by the higher court and NO ONE ELSE for ANY reason. Obviously the court being appealed against is in conflict of the law or as a "hostile witness" and etc etc etc. Under appellate jurisdiction, how could those (or any, for that matter) possibly be considered as "hearing grounds for appeal" - particularly after they had just made ruling in a case. As Judge in other words, they are being called inferior or wrong or dishonest in an appeal to a higher court. How can that give ruling in the same case then ? Is not that the evidence and defendant being "tried twice" - "twice put in jeopardy" which is ILLEGAL in the United States. THE GROUNDS FOR APPEAL LEGALLY IN AMERICA MEANS ANYONE WHO REQUESTS IT - PERIOD. If in the higher court it is determined this was other than realistic and genuine as superfluous (a joke) etc - then that party is to be charged with that. What lawyer in other words would go to jail and lose practice over some bad defendant trying to buy time with an appeal against a sentence etc, or pulling a prank for spite, or trying simply to remain in a less secure local prison to attempt escape while waiting for hearing ?

Bottom Line ? Dallas - apparently you're out until such time as you are in ! 

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« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2014, 10:52:29 pm »

Okay to date we have posted here the plain information that Lee Harvey Oswald was ABSOLUTELY getting convicted and receiving the death penalty as punishment. Now - ISN'T THAT CASE CLOSED?

What in God's name would President Lyndon B. Johnson accused of being in on the assassination conspiracy and all the others want with a full blown Presidential Commission with Congressional Vote and Approval full of lawyers and staffers and evidence and interviews, Officer after Officer, witness after witness, Agency after Agency, on and on - everything naked to so many independent eyes conducting same and to finally GO FULLY PUBLIC UNDER THE SCRUTINY OF THE NATION AND WORLD for ? ? ?

The **** researchers all these years have kept yelling that in our faces and holding up as supposedly our national anthem to them and accusing them as part of the conspiracy and they hired Jack Ruby to shoot Lee Harvey Oswald as supposed to be CASE CLOSED?

The last thing the conspirators wanted was anybody around asking questions and rousing up interest and public reports in the news and radio/TV as is what happened by the Commission occurring. Are all the a*s*s*h*ole researchers also having us believe LBJ was that much of an a*s*s*h*ole? That stupid? Or do they want us to believe he was that paranoid that he just had to have all the evidence of the case locked up for ever just to make sure - after it was paraded past all those independent staffers that were NOT in on it? Could blow the whistle at any time as modern day Snowden?



Q & A From the Facebook Group....

Q. What if the trial of Oswald brought up more questions than his death would?


Like what? that is the whole point if you studied all that Mark Lane proposed, all the out from left field questions of all this that and the other thing and persons involved, as he is arguably about best on the perfect defense as that studied on it. I believe with that create a doubt in the jury would have been laughed out of the court room like they did with Garrison.

They would have probably turned all things against him saying you just made our case for us defining his motives.

So many things would not walk and struck down such as introducing why Oswald so easily got back into the country and financed after being a defector, as example. The Judge would uphold prosecution as Defense is trying to reach conclusions for the jury. etc etc etc.

Crap like that would not have been allowed to be introduced - the defector crapola. etc etc and what CIA he knew or FBI and on and on....leading to a summation / struck down struck down struck down. I think the real thinking cap has to be on here is why I posted this. Oswald convicted was the *real* CASE CLOSED.

Leaves me to the question, what the hell did Ruby shoot him for? Weird. Strange. Mafia? Would have had him shanked (stabbed by improvised knife) in prison for a couple hundred or thousand, contract. Happens all the time. He would have never talked or made it to trial.

Jack Ruby seems to have been with the USSR "international" possibility the WC mentioned, by "blaming it on LBJ". An obvious doubt attempted to be spread to the American Public. The USSR propagandists fits this perfect. Be the enemy with in. Create doubt and confusion. Beat them from within. They were like that very heavily back in those days as part of that Cold War tactics. Make it real spooky and kill Dorothy Killgallen. whooooh Strike panic and fear in the hearts of the enemy.

The photos meant nothing in the case and would be struck down as well as reaching a conclusion or leading to summation. Like D.A. Wade said, he did not have to pove motive but only that Oswald did it and he said he was convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt. In other words all Defense trying to say they were smearing Oswald would have been a laugh since he was legally a traitor who had defected to the Soviet Union giving information to the enemy. Plus he was a confessed Marxist and defending Cuba which was an enemy of the state - Missle Crisis. Having studied we all know the evidence they had. Even some suggested the allleged rifle was rusty and could not shoot. Bull, they would have said becasue they fired a round to get and match balistics. The scope was crooked, they would have said defense must admit in hurried escape the rifle was thrown between boxes and knocked the scope out of alignment. and on and on. They had balistics matched. I have not seen that as challenged.


Ted R. WROTE: ) You are barely coherent and your logic absurd.....  classic disinformation.... "why I posted this" indeed. People fall for this crap?

Ted you blinded yourself and missed the whole post. You have the horse blinders on apparently and refuse to listen to anything but yourself then. I find *your* response "classic disinformation" and as a disingenuious professional agitator. That's because you said that only - I guess your famous one liner "classic disinformation". All you have to do now is prove it! You offer nothing but sway. Appear intelligent and sway people away is a classic by people who do not look at others looking right at them and what they are doing. They hope and pretend with their head up their ass they won't get caught like a typical addict on the run. Classic ostrich syndrone. Got symptoms? The "whole point of the post" is I am sick of the disinformation handed America for the past 50 years by bull**** profiteers. You want to side with that and hit on work like mine - it's your choice. It is a free world even with God. Anyone is allowed to chose to go straight to Hell. God can't stop them. It's a free choice you make. This is the "whole point to this post" as you outlined. Did you even read it and disagreeing make some criticisms of points - point out *exactly* what you are calling disinformation. Your one size fits all - "classic disinformation" - isn't fooling anyone here Ted or in all America or the world. They know who they are.

The exercise Ted is to open your mind. Isn't that the reason for people joining here?

Ted R. wrote... <<"why I posted this" indeed. People fall for this crap?>> Ted you are caught! Caught at your disinformation and BS with your classic one liners as "classic disinformation". Caught Ted because this is the FIRST time in America that this has ever been mentioned ! How can it be ""People fall for this crap?"" Ted when you and one other member are the only ones who have ever seen it? Ted your caught with disinformation you are peddling on my post! Again Ted you said ""People fall for this crap?"" when people have NOT even seen it yet! Ted now understands I have caught him as I accused him of spreading classic disinformation at an Internet?Internuts destination! Thank you, applause.

Classic disinformation Ted R. ? Now remember your hero researchers telling you those of the Military Industrial Complex and Southerners and left Republicans as anti-communist and Bay of Pigs people against ALL against JFK backing down war with the USSR around the world as a real wuss is why they killed him. Right? They still haven't told us why LBJ didn't invade Cuba as they killed Kennedy because he didn't and why they didn't kill LBJ because he didn't.... They still haven't told us when all those wanted war with the USSR how they SUDDENLY after killing JFK chickened out and went out the back door and shot themselves in the foot in Viet Nam getting only 25 cents on a dollar (500,000 Troops) as compared to full profit in world war which is the reasons researchers gave as their reasons for killing Kennedy. Remember? . gothcha! classic disinformation from them all Ted R. When you give expert testimony as a criminologist Ted let me know. Otherwise why continue to feed into the classic disinformation that poisons your mind that the American Government has warned against. I am a convert. I see the light. I am the first to admit I was a fool listening to them when I was young and niave. You can too Ted. See you.

I don't listen to their garbage anymore, I put it out!

He wasn't Jack Ruby - Ted - he was Jack Ruskie ted


As I put forth in the study, try on looking at Jack Ruby as getting money from the USSR who paid for JFK's assassination to kill Oswald. They are the idiots that caused the Presidential Commission, "doing their homework" , researching our history as predicting this would be the move of LBJ.

All they need do now is pay for one insider to leak all the investigative information to them. List of witnesses. What do we find next. Expert actuaries done in England describing odd as something like 22 trillion to 7 odds that many witnesses in a murder investigation would die in that short of a time - dead witnesses.

That is one branch..... now look at Ruby planting the first seeds "I'm a big *s*h*id*t mafia man" and I, only, know what is going on here. *Suddenly* this is nothing to do with his love for Jackie anymore.

*Suddenly* he intoduces intrigue and the first notion Oswald is not who he appears to be. Oswald has been hired/framed (take your pick) by others way high up in America to kill JFK. RUBY ONLY is introducing the notion that those in America are guilty of the major conspiracy and assassination of JFK.

*Before* this, eveyone in America was fine with digesting that some communist Oswald **** Marxists for Cuba defector lone nut from lonely childhood in NYC shockingly, as first thought it may have been the loudmouth southerners who were protesting.

... WATCH Ruby planting the seeds as if he is the insider about America did it. Why would the USSR pick him for this ? Becasue of his mafia background as that is what they wanted - pointing the finger at America to take the heat off of them....(Now remember your researchers telling you those of the Military Industrial Complex and Southernors and Bay of Pigs against JFK backing down war with the USSR around the world as a real wuss is why they killed him - so obviously the USSR is afraid and paranoid then, right suckers? They still haven't told us why LBJ didn't invade Cuba as they killed Kennedy because he didn't.... gothcha! classic disinformation) ....



We now have Jack Ruby introducing (what they call today classic disinformation) in Part Two.... he beefs up the intrigue by introducing it is more than mafia going on - it is big big big.

Here we go with Ruby planting the seeds and so laughible as he says....

"The people had, that had so much to gain, (classic blame -Military Industrial Complex) and had such an alterior motive for PUTTING ME IN THE POSISTION I AM IN will never let the true facts come above board to the world." ...

Do you see this CRAP. SUDDENLY Ruby is no longer running his cover story that he shot Oswald because of his loving respect for First Lady Jackie Kennedy and did not want here to suffer a public trial.
NOW suddenly his wild story planting seeds in the minds of America and future axxhole researchers planting the seeds that insider America has conspired and killed JFK for profit in war BUT DO YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID? LISTEN TO THIS SUDDEN TURN AROUND OUT OF NOWHERE PLANT OF DISINFORMATION......

QUOTE: "The people had, that had so much to gain, and had such an alterior motive for PUTTING ME IN THE POSISTION I AM IN ..."

...... SEE IT ? SUDDENLY this is *nothing* to do with Jackie Kennedy anymore. All of a SUDDEN there is some MAJOR conspiracy that put Jack in prison for shooting Oswald. "Alterior motive for putting me in the posistion I am in..." - not Jack putting HIMSELF in prison for shooting Oswald in broad daylight in a Police station - NOW it is suddenly "The people had, that had so much to gain, and had such an alterior motive..." are who put Jack in prison. And who now wonders why the warren Commission walked away laughing at Jack Ruby and his "classic disinformation" that is actually USSR propaganda intentionally. ... And ByTheWay, Ruby claims to the Warren Commission he will talk if they get him out of there about all these conspirators - and do you get it? If he was honestly going to testify and spill the beans - why the hell would he have silenced one of the witnesses, Oswald, by shooting him in broad daylight? Now again do you get it - the Warren Commission walked away LAUGHING at Jack Ruby....



 We now move to the Jack Ruby dropping his jewel - what he wanted from the beginning but needed to run his ramp up for it.... the classic disinformation of all time LBJ DID IT. That f8xkking absurd!


TED R. THAT IS CLASSIC DISINFORMATION MY FRIEND! or keep your had up your butt and take your soft target shots at people like me. Depends on your character as a person doesn't it? Don;t make personal attacks on people over the internet without expecting response. it is a golden rule in forums and these type group board settings. TED R..... CLASSIC DISINFORMATION.....

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Candlelight Service at Lincoln Memorial in Honor of JFK, 12/22/1963, MP769
50 YEARS AGO....


Candlelight vigil at Lincoln Memorial and the lighting of the National Christmas Tree, December 22, 1963. This film is from the LBJ Library moving picture collection created by the White House Naval Photographic Unit, aka the Navy Films. Public domain.

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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2014, 10:56:35 pm »

Qualifying Gov Connally Wounds Not From Single Bullet
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2014, 11:57:26 am »
In this my Thesis (solved) you have read here that the first wound to JFK was by a high powered rifle entering below the neck on the President from behind. Some questions must have risen. I will here qualify Governor Connally's wounds as NOT from the same bullet.

Remember what was written here that the bullet entering from rear below the neck of JFK then passing through struck the vertebrae, nicking it shown in X-Rays, and then richocheted upward - exiting the front about the Adam's Apple. There was the fresh dent on the chrome dash of the Presidential Limo that was about the size of a bullet as this striking it. There was also the windshield debacle of actually a through and through bullet hole against it was "just cracked". The bullet exiting JFK's throat could have been either of these, or simply richocheted out of the car altogether.

And so the questions arise. Then I am then saying that the Governor was hit by another shot other than the one striking the President from behind below the neck. It is really difficult looking at the Zapruder Film to not say that both these men were simultaneously hit by the same bullet. They both appear reacting at the same instant. However, this does not rule out that two bullets were fired simultaneously at both men by two different assassins.

It has been shown here that the American Government DID "declassify" to the American Public and World in the House Select Committee Hearings that President Kennedy arrived into the Autopsy Room "with no brain". It is documented the President was in a different casket (then the one left from Dallas) brought into the room at Bethesda with both caskets in a paper trail and no one accessed the President at Bethesda. What was revealed to all via the testimony now allowed by Paul O'Conner (Military Autopsy worker), as he and the others were sworn to secrecy by the Military at the autopsy time - was that indeed the President was in that different casket and a body bag (which he was not placed in at Dallas) and was unzipped and O'Conner helped place the President onto the table and said there was "a gasp" as the President "had no brain" except "less than a handful" of serrated matter inside at the bottom of the blown open skull. Of course Parkland Doctors all testified that only about one third of the President's brain had been blown away, out. What was "declassified" was that the only persons with access and to do this (dispose of the President's brain) were those of the Secret Service and at the only time alone with the casket in Air Force One at the time of the swearing in of V.P. Johnson as the President now of the United States.

Since it was shown here that Oswald's gun could not possibly have been the murder weapon and according to all medical testimony, then also it is known that those of the Secret Service had planted fragments of bullets from Oswald's rifle - shot and collected elsewhere on a previous date. This includes in conspiracy the infamous "pristine bullet" planted on the gurney at Parkland Hospital.

And so also, we see the Secret Service were "sweeping" the Presidential Limo at Parkland and elsewhere - obviously then to gather and dispose of damning evidence of more than one assassin, being then by definition as part of the conspiracy. There was all the Parade Route oddities and lack of security, and the slowing down almost to a stop right precisely at the spot where the head wounds occurred which are also obviously conspiratorial.

To qualify Governor Connally's wounds in answering questions arisen in my thesis here, we go to the medical descriptions of the entry wound of the Governor. This is a several part examination of existing documented evidence and testimony.

Here is one source showing photos of the "recovered" bullets, fragments from the Presidential Limo and the 'pristine' (meaning almost with no damage) bullet from the gurney at Parkland....
...and here....

And so with your research about the Gov. Connally wounds as I did, a good source is here....

....we find that the entrance wound of the Governor was described as much a puncture wound - meaning a straight on shot, the bullet entering with a slight eliptical shape as to be from a slight tangent or "tangential". The entry wound in the top rear of the President's head was a puncture wound - virtually round clean straight in. This alludes to the bullet hitting the Governor was from a slight angle. Those of course of the SBT (single bullet theory) camp will say that naturally, as the Governor said he was turning when he got hit.

This also means that a separate bullet could have been fired from a more severe angle than the supposed Oswald bullet hitting the President's head. That would cause the entry wound described in the Governor - slight tangential entry. Note that the entry wound to the rear of the President's head (top center, about size of a pencil hole) has been described as and looks like a puncture wound - straight in cleanly and NOT tangential - which of course means not from an angle such as from behind and to the right as the Book Depository Building, but rather straight on as from the DalTex Building.

There is more though, and importantly so. A lot of the bullets, cartridges, in these type weapons as Oswald's have a very pointed tip sharply. The ammunition for the Carcano Rifle (like Oswald's) is much more round in pronounced manner. This Carcano ammo, not even in the FBI test repository at time, having the rounded tip makes it much less able to yaw or tumble after leaving whatever it hit - here reported as JFK in the Warren Commission. It stays almost virtually straight to then hit a second target which became Governor Connally also reported by the warren Commission.

Most other bullets as this tend to hit sideways into the second victim, after tumbling or yaw from leaving the first. SEE....

Now in support of the Warren Commission, or rather not, it was actually not in there that the Carcano ammo could have indeed caused the slight tangential puncture entry wound of the Governor's back and as opposed to all other type ammo not as the Carcano rounded tip ammo - which is reportedly not known to yaw much or tumble after leaving a first victim. Ironically, the Warren Commission not doing their homework, lost a best chance to support their SBT (single bullet theory). This may have cinched their theory's credibility in the eyes of many more.

And so what we have here is that Governor Connally was hit from a slight angle - more so then the bullet that first entered the President's head (not tangential) in the top rear and from the rear. There is one research offering a shot was fired from the other end of the Book Depository Building and a lower floor I believe it was. That, as example, would be more of an angle obviously than straight on from the rear.

In review of the Secret Service, or rather the FBI, bullet fragments they said were found about the rear seat area (Mrs. Connally) - this would coincide with the angle shot from the Book Depository (Oswald sniper nest) as fragments from the head shot entering the rear of the President's head and exiting as fragments and landed there. PROBLEM: The entry wound of the President's head towards the top and center (not the lower blow out wound of lower right side) was NOT tangential - but plainly seen as a traditional puncture wound fired straight on and NOT from an angle. Reconcile that! It would be from the Daltex Building if anywhere (straight on puncture wound), and not the Book Depository Building that would have caused then a somewhat tangential entry wound.


THE GREATEST mystery I find here as knowing a different shot hit the Governor, is the whole planted evidence scenario. Remember that I have written and reminded that the Oswald Evidence of the gun and three spent shells have been already planted to find to frame Oswald. It has to be that ALL evidence found means only three shots could have been fired - and from Oswald's rifle only. This includes the pristine bullet found on the gurney at Parkland. If anything else shows up - it shows a conspiracy and may even reveal the evidence tampering that did go on. Busted. Obviously the assassination conspiracy "hit" was revealed as Oswald only did it and with three bullets only - period. They put all their money on that as the outcome of investigation obviously by all the found planted evidence. Even with all their planning, we find, they were sloppy and did weird risky unexplained things as if somewhat deranged rather than cold blooded calculated murderers - even being in category of a "state sanctioned hit" as is said today.

The strangest thing is the "pristine bullet" found on the gurney at Parkland Hospital. If they knew they were shooting JFK first in the back (and was shown here why and reason of that wound - not a mistake or sloppy gunmanship) - they also knew they were shooting the Governor also with a separate bullet. With the straight on puncture wound of the back at the neck area of JFK - they must have assumed (and even practiced on victims or reproductions) the exiting bullet would have struck the Governor as well. This means the second shooter actually causing the wounds with a separate shot would have left two entry wounds in the Governor's back - one tangential from the actual side shot and the other presumed as a tumbler or yaw entry from passing through the first victim (JFK). Again note the Carcano ammo. The bullet hitting JFK in the back/neck area did nick the vertebrae (discovered in X-Ray) richocheting and exited the throat - but did not hit Connally. It richocheted upwards and out and explains the angles involved. I have posted this here and has not been found elsewhere, to my knowledge, by other researchers who seem to have missed the valuable info about the vertebrae injury of JFK being struck by the bullet.

So why plant the pristine bullet? We are talking here a shot at least 90 yards away having to basically hit a silver dollar with all accuracy (JFK's back/neck shot). It did hit but a little to the left which then entered and richocheted off the vertebrae and out. This is part of the weird stuff. Why take a shot like that with the obvious outcome being in many scenarios of violent reactions that would have called off the head shots ? Deranged people.

Now if you haven't gotten to the 'smokin gun' question here, it is this. How could those involved have possibly predicted the JFK back/neck shot would richochet off his vertebrae and angle upward even out of the car and not hit Connally? Why and how then did they plant the pristine bullet as if they knew this would occur and took the next shot hitting Gov. Connally as if it was the JFK back shot that hit Connally?

THEY set up the single bullet theory - NOT Arlon Spector. It was like a script handed to American Govt and Law investigating - Oswald, the rifle, the three spent shells, and the single bullet. Remember, I don't believe they had any type laser targeting then for rifles - BUT even so at 90 plus yards away pinpointing a vertebrae nick while the Limo was moving at speed during this sequence shots and after slowed down for the head shots is not possible except by luck in many, many shots and one hitting target - the vertebrae to cause richocheting.

Look at it.... single bullet Carcano ammo (doesn't yaw much), tangential wound to Connally. It's crazy like they were Satan himself which knew more than saved him. But we know that was impossible. As they say God's hand is in everything. Here they must have gone a bit crazy wondering what happened to the exiting bullet that struck JFK in the back/neck area. Remember that the evidence of Oswald rifle fragments are being planted in the Limo too. Simple. Visually sweep the Limo after, beginning at Parkland, and even with a Geiger counter. Everything found swooped up to be thrown out and then plant the Oswald rifle fragments. Then wash it down to be sure nothing else is found in some profound excuse of decency for the President. And so the reality. They were prepared to explain the TWO entry wounds into Governor Connally's back - and P.S. - how could they have possibly known the bullet hitting the Gov. would finally exit as a graze wound of the thigh (SBT) ?

Too bad for them - Governor Connally had turned sideways and then fell into his wife's lap before the head shot so that they could not say one entry wound into Connally's back was fragments from the JFK head shots - which was probably the planned outcome.

Again we go back to the Carcano rifle picked which raised the questions why Oswald did this. He could have easily purchased a rifle back then anywhere and not have it traced to him, but seemingly chose the order method that would and with the fake name. Did the conspirators do their homework and knew this about the Carcano ammunition that does not tumble or yaw much after hitting a first victim and into the second? Does this explain these obvious stick out like a sore thumb tactics in Oswald ordering the Carcano rifle? Fits. Fits for the SBT (single bullet theory) and we are back to square one - why and how did they set that up as it was? How could they know the outcome of the shots in advance as they did occur ? The only explanation is they expected two entry wounds into Governor Connally and ready to have evidence support that in their pre-arranged Oswald did it in three shots (evidence already planted).

All said and done, the Doctors said the found fragments/bullet on the floor of the Limo would be the expected evidence and NOT the pristine bullet for Governor Connally's wounds. As well, all tolled, the fragments found (planted) weighed far too much to be from the "pristine bullet" planted at Parkland.


You can see the angles here that do not match the JFK head wound from the rear that was as a puncture wound straight on (apparently from Daltex Bldg.) - no tangential entrance. Ironically, the slightly eliptical puncture entry tangential wound in Gov. Connally's back reveals the JFK rear head wound entry was NOT from the Book Depository. This is more gleaned from the medical evidence and not mentioned by other researchers I have seen. And so they "snitched" on themselves. Perhaps the first "amateur" state sanctioned hit in modern history. Again, there is no such thing as the perfect crime in America.


And so the bottom line here in qualifying Gov. John Connally's wounds is shown as the actual multiple assassin attack became flawed immediately after the first wounding of the President which was also the simultaneous wounding of the Governor by a different gunman and bullet. In other words, there were two different gunman who simultaneously fired - one at the President and one at the Governor. They had obviously been prepared to have these wounds explained and obviously involved the mysterious pristine bullet found on the gurney at parkland Hospital.

What went immediately wrong, was the bullet that hit the President in the lower neck area (upper back) striking through, richocheted off of the President's vertebrae and exited upward out his throat area around the Adam's apple. This is what forced the President's arms up in reaction, as seemingly clutching towards his throat as choking as seen on the Zapruder film and reported/testified by witnesses.

This unexpected injury to JFK in the shooting shows Gov. Connally was hit simultaneously by a second gunman. The one shot of the three the Warren Commission reports that "missed everything" may indeed be a shot intended as firing over the targets and missing everything - expressly as a missed shot that in turn was intended to be a cover story second shot that then fitted hitting the Governor causing back wounding. Witnesses easily sloughed off as hearing echoes, but the medical evidence was the crux of the matter.

If you look at the Zapruder film you notice it seems both men were hit simultaneously by that shot that struck the President in the lower neck/upper back area. BUT in viewing the aftermath of that strike, we see JFK throwing his arms up as seemingly choking and then after that the Governor has attempted turning around to see him. NOW this is about the time of the reported second shot according to the warren Commission that simply missed everything - and obviously it would have had to, because look at the men now to try and shoot the Governor. We have JFK's arms up and clutching towards his throat - his elbows and arms up high and now in the way of another shot to hit the Governor. As well, the Governor has turned and is also falling into his wife's lap backwards, sideways in the car. There is now NO clear shot from the buildings behind to hit Connally in the back. This proves the bullets that hit the President in the lower neck area and the Governor in the back were indeed fired simultaneously even though Governor Connally swears he was hit by the "second shot heard". All the reenactments and all the years they have never shown the shot with JFK's arms up and in the way of it with the Gov. turning and then falling - though they have shown the trees in the way of an Oswald first shot, showing when it was possible to fire. Let's see Gov. Connally's "second shot hit" him. If possible, then medically it would seem to have shown a more tangential entry wound as the target was moving sideways as opposed to the shooter shooting from a sideways position.

I hope this has served to qualify Governor John Connally's wounds that occurred and when - answering as well questions that may have arose about my "solved" thesis on the JFK Assassination and concerning the lower neck/upper back wounding of JFK which then did NOT continue on into the Governor.
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Debunk My Thesis? I don't think so!

Many persons like to attempt to "destroy" a researcher's work and resultant theory or belief and the facts showing or leading to that - and only as mischief. Other genuine persons may pose questions and show facts - and even researchers, and may possibly "debunk" or disprove a theory arrived at or belief. As anyone knows in this case, and with no official lawful judgment all these years combined with "locked away evidence", it has been a real pain to attempt to arrive at the belief of what happened - and via the zealous efforts of so many concerned - to even map the entire assassination from start to finish, even with a who's who list of the guilty involved.

I am going to go ahead here and post a bottom line "hey genius, if that's how it happened then what about this?".

As I posted I was really, really, really surprised suddenly through my own research to suddenly realize and reach the conclusion that our own American Government immediately, and ongoing, were involved in a complete National Security Mode that explained many of the puzzling things going on after the death of the President within the hour of the shots fired. I have posted support and documents for this and have given reasons for all they did as far as the Warren Commission Report and why. I have denounced those that pointed the finger at Vice President Lyndon Johnson saying/claiming he was "in on it" - and as disgraceful even.

Seeing through and dissatisfied with the Warren Report, ever since has been that quest to discover the whole truth for many Americans (most) and even many others from other nations. It was all a daze in the beginning, one question would unleash an avalanche. Simply and profoundly by the sealing up of the evidence, eyes seeing holes in the Warren Report just went on staring at the Government with the thoughts "somebody in there in a big conspiracy shot our President". The eyes and thoughts kind of glazed over like that for years - staring and glaring at the Government and the apparent Warren Commission 'cover up'. What was lost was the pursuit into USSR involvement, but turned and stayed on those in American Government.

All in all, through my "solved" thesis - I see two possibilities to "blow it to hell", and they combine as against the innocence of some of the National Security Mode going on particularly with the now President Johnson. This refers to all the accusations of the "President Johnson Executive Order 273" which is reported by many as the complete reversal of President Kennedy's position of the withdrawal of American Troops (Executive Order 263) as a "green light" to create a full blown "Viet Nam A Go-Go" money making machine for years, as long as it lasts. The other involves a mystery needed to be pursued as to one of the first Press Conferences from Parkland Hospital whereby one of the Doctors treating Governor Connally reported that a bullet was still lodged in his thigh that they will remove shortly, as his major wounds have been addressed first and that was secondary. The question goes - whatever happened to that bullet ? Hmmmm.....

So let's begin with the two Executive Orders concerning Viet Nam from JFK and then LBJ after the death of President Kennedy. The one idea reported is that LBJ signed this reversal of withdrawal to begin full scale operations and what a day after the JFK Funeral - "before he was even cold in the grave".

Now in comparing the JFK 263 and the LBJ 273 and the draft of that while JFK was alive - we see that the LBJ 273 is as very much simply using Kennedy's Draft and issuing now under his self as President as the "best way to honor President Kennedy" was to promote and pass into legislation all the things he was fighting for. WHAT THESE LYING BASTARDS DO NOT SAY IS THAT THE LBJ 273 STATES SPECIFICALLY....

QUOTE))) (LBJ 273) :
" 2. The objectives of the United States with respect to the withdrawal of U. S. military personnel remain as stated in the White House statement of October 2, 1963. "

QUOTE))) (JFK 263) :
"The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1 -3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963."



Now you compare those documents and see the truth. Visit the "Pentagon Papers" while you are at it. Get a good view and history of Viet Nam. See the "China Containment Policy" too. Viet Nam was simply the back door into World War Three with the USSR which JFK entered the front door at Moscow over the Cuban Missile Crisis. This was the whole reason of the Viet Nam protesters - the youth of America - who all wanted to take on Communism in Moscow, not Viet Nam which was nothing more than what Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara called it... "the real U.S. goal was "not to help friend, but to contain China."....

....And this became the stalemate and loss. The United States Armed Forces held a 20 to 1 kill ratio, perhaps the greatest ever in the history of warfare. What they were up against was not just Northern Viet Nam troops, but the Viet Cong and Chinese troops being snuck into the fighting and surrounding nations involvement - Laos, Cambodia etc. The stance taken as the back door into World War Three by containing Communist Red China and her satellites (those of South east Asia) as the ground forces of USSR to invade against Allied Forces in full assault and invasion of the USSR (much as done in World War Two at D-Day) resulted in the final stalemate that it would end in some Nuclear Winter to win and the South Viet Nameese would have to agree their freedom from communist rule was simply not worth destroying the entire world over it and accept a saving face defeat with the USA.

Now understand that and what is being said ! Read a brief here from the President Kennedy State of the Union Address 1963 (his last).....

"The Nassau agreement recognizes that the security of the West is indivisible, and so must be our defense. But it also recognizes that this is an alliance of proud and sovereign nations, and works best when we do not forget it. It recognizes further that the nuclear defense of the West is not a matter for the present nuclear powers alone--that France will be such a power in the future--and that ways must be found without increasing the hazards of nuclear diffusion, to increase the role of our other partners in planning, manning, and directing a truly multilateral nuclear force within an increasingly intimate NATO alliance. Finally, the Nassau agreement recognizes that nuclear defense is not enough, that the agreed NATO levels of conventional strength must be met, and that the alliance cannot afford to be in a position of having to answer every threat with nuclear weapons or nothing. "

SEE IT ? .... "...Finally, the Nassau agreement recognizes that nuclear defense is not enough, that the agreed NATO levels of conventional strength must be met, and that the alliance cannot afford to be in a position of having to answer every threat with nuclear weapons or nothing."

"Nuclear weapons or nothing" is NOT any way to win what would become World War Three and invasion of the USSR and to end unlawful tributary communism forever from the face of the world. In other words many nuclear strikes could serve only to paralyze nations isolated as land masses separated by the seven seas. Short of ultimate planet destruction in a nuclear winter scenario, a nuclear war would not end any nation, or perhaps a few. Humanities would survive and rebuild and start war all over again as they were able. So as JFK instructed and reflected, any nuclear use must be accompanied by a sustained invasion force of levels high enough to accomplish victory. Simply this was estimated traditionally since World War Two as the United States must have a 2,000,000 man standing army. Of course this was called into action the year prior at the Cuban Missile Crisis when President Kennedy placed us at DEFCON 2.

Now do you see how the Viet Nam war was a mistake ? This was called shooting yourself in the foot in Viet Nam (a reference to a soldier shooting himself in the foot to get out of the war). The invasion force if you will was being decimated as ill planned resulting in over 500,000 casualties and over 55,000 dead. That is a staggering 25 percent of the 2 million man standing army face down in the mud wounded in Viet Nam. There is much that fingers should be pointed at President Nixon and NOT Johnson. At Nixon because he is the one that refused to win the war. He is the one that offered peace when there was none. He is the one who chickened out of war. He is the soldier that shot himself in the foot at Watergate. He was a coward! President Johnson was always considered as meaning well but was kind of country dumb and naive in the heart of hearts of the American Youth.

The United Nations Treaty and Charter constrained America to fight Communist overthrow anywhere in the world. This was also called in manner the Containment Policy ....What was President Johnson to do ? Ignore North Viet Nam ? Remove from South Korea ? Let Cuba have their missiles back ? Stay out of Southeast Asia ? Hide from Red Communism altogether like a good neighbor, to hell with their victims ? What happened is history. We can not apologize for leaders's lack of might, courage, and wisdom. Europe and the Americas would say we can not achieve our promises and blessings without the knowledge of and obeisance to God. If we do not understand God, then we can not follow His Teaching and instruction. The whole can of worms with this goes back to the League of Nations - the predecessor to the United Nations. This is man's wisdom - NOT God's. Both are ridiculously flawed by the inclusion of both the United states and the Soviet Union. Both the United States Constitution and the Communist Manifesto International forbid entering these - as is defined as Treason in both forms of government to do so. They're ridiculous and always have been. As great a leader as Jack Kennedy was, he still promoted this activity saying he was not against Containment. Why fight 50 separate wars in 50 separate countries that the Soviet Union or Red China or other autonomous communist nations would invade with Containment policy ? It is worst then absurd ! If you are against communism for all the right reasons, you go to war and defeat it - PERIOD. Eradicate it from the face of the world. You can't call it evil if it spreads but is okay if it does not. Do you see it ? The Communist Manifesto International expressly demands the conquering of all nations and anything short of that or opposing that shall be held for Treason. That constitutes Communism as Enemy of the United States and United States Constitution and charged with Treason. Now do you see it ? Neither country could ever go into the League of Nations or the United Nations together without it being Treason. It has been too nonsensical almost 100 years now. There is no apology for these leaders. And so if you want to talk about Viet Nam or any President involved then do it right. Be correct. Speak intelligently. Above all, don't be such the a*s*swhole saying "President Johnson had JFK assassinated".

We can not be expected to answer for those that talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

An example of leadership that is simply non-quality and fruitless shows we have not gotten one foot forward in 50 years in the following comparison of events from the Viet Nam Era to present day under President Obama with the Russians and Syria and Ukraine Crisis and Iraq invasion.....

"In a 1993 interview for the Johnson Presidential Library oral history archives, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara revealed that a carrier battle group, the U.S. 6th Fleet, on a training exercise near Gibraltar was re-positioned towards the eastern Mediterranean to be able to defend Israel. The administration "thought the situation was so tense in Israel that perhaps the Syrians, fearing Israel would attack them, or the Russians supporting the Syrians might wish to redress the balance of power and might attack Israel". The Soviets learned of this deployment, which they regarded as offensive in nature, and, in a hotline message from Soviet First Secretary Alexei Kosygin, threatened the United States with war.

The Soviet Union supported its Arab allies. In May 1967, the Soviets started a surge deployment of their naval forces into the East Mediterranean. Early in the crisis they began to shadow the US and British carriers with destroyers and intelligence collecting vessels. The Soviet naval squadron in the Mediterranean was sufficiently strong to act as a major restraint on the U.S. Navy. In a 1983 interview with the Boston Globe, McNamara said that "We damn near had war". He said Kosygin was angry that "we had turned around a carrier in the Mediterranean"."

LOOK FAMILIAR ? Same players today as then - Russia with the Arabs attempting control of Israel and the Free World. We have not advanced one foot militarily.

Next .... the mysterious disappearance of the "bullet in the thigh" of Governor Connally.....

Parkland Doctors on Connally's Leg Wound


And so we see here real testimony/report by one of the treating Physicians at Parkland within those minutes to hour and so treating the wounds of Govenor Connally also hit. Now the doctor clearly is saying there is a bullet in the Govenor's left thigh, lodged, and will be removed now that the more pressing treament of wounds have been addressed. It is possible they somewhat probed the thigh wound and found a bullet. More likely I would assume they took X-Rays and saw the bullet. The Doctor did not say something like there is a fragment of a bullet lodged in the thigh. He said it was a full bullet. I had overlooked this to pursue and research what ever happened to this "bullet" reported as lodged in the Govenor's thigh. When I do that, I will add it below.

And so the point of the exercise here is someone saying they debunked my 'thesis' that the question asked must be how in the hello was National Security in the matter in place so fast within the first hour and second as in the know to then begin their National Security policy of hiding things for reasons posted across my thesis for those reasons they did? Reasons being for secret investigation into the conspiracy discovered. But that (the larger conspiracy) wasn't really discovered yet beyond initial reports of possibly more than one shot to the head of the President and possibly from different angles. The real discovery of the major conspiracy wasn't until the President's body arrived on the autopsy table at Bethesda and all saw "the President had no brain". Of course leaving Dallas, the Doctors said about one third was blown away - not the whole brain blown out. There was no autopsy surgical procedure performed which exactly involved cutting half the top of the skull off and so forth to then remove the brain for forensics of bullet paths and so on. The entire brain was missing "except for about less than a handful of mascerated brain at the bottom of the skull".

About then began the insanity for sure for those in charge to start investigating what had happened and where and by who. Soon after came the knowledge those of the Secret Service where the only ones able to do that - dispose of the President's brain - and aboard Air Force One and at the time of the swearing in of Vice president Johnson to the Presidency by law. It was the only time the President's body was alone, with them - Jackie being with the swearing in ceremony up front. As well, he arrived in a different casket at Bethesda at the autopsy room. It was shortly after these things and discoveries that what everyone has called a cover up (and myself before) was the time that National Security policy was going into effect, policy above the general as full heightened alert and so on at news of the shooting etc. The National Security policy I discovered involved the covering up of things and having those of the autopsy sworn by oath not to discuss anything and this by the Military - and then like things surrounding the autopsy results and beyond to the Presidential Commission etc. Reasons being were secret investigation.

So if the actual scope of the conspiracy wasn't even known yet, how the hello was the policy in place to then surpress anything to do with the bullet in the Govenor's thigh? Why would they know to start grabbing evidence to keep it from the public if they were not even aware yet of the scope and magnitude of the full conspiracy? Where did the bullet go? Things have been declassified. Huh guy. huh Guy? And then they go back to - bullcrap, President Johnson set the whole thing up and they were all in on it. That's the end of your bullcrap "theory".


F.B.I. Backs Plan to Remove Connally Bullet Fragments
Published: June 18, 1993

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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2014, 10:18:02 am »

David Lifton about Paul O'Conner

"What made O’Connor important is what he told the House Select Committee, and is recorded in the HSCA Outside Contact Report of Purdy and Flanagan, in 1977, and it comes down to 3 basic facts concerning the JFK autopsy:

1. JFK’s body arrived in a shipping casket
2. Inside, it was in a body bag
3. The cranium was empty.

O’Connor is a direct witness to these events, which is surely what was being suppressed by the “order not to talk,” which he (and the others) were placed under verbally, and then in writing, on November 26, 1963, the day after JFK’s funeral. Moreover, it was the recision of the “order not to talk” which made it possible for him (and the other) Bethesda witnesses to be interviewed by the HSCA.

Those interviews were conducted in 1977/78, and the appropriate reports written. But then Blakey didn’t like what they said and it was all locked up — and not scheduled for release until 2029.

Two things changed that schedule for the much delayed release of this information:

(1) I learned of, located, and interviewed the witnesses in 1979; and incorporated their accounts into Best Evidence, which was submitted in manuscript form by April, 1980, and was in the book stores by January, 1981..

(2) The JFK Records Act—passed as a result of Oliver Stone’s 12/91 release of JFK—led to the original HSCA documents being released in 1993/94.

Of course, the public didn’t have to wait until 1993/94; they could (and did) read Best Evidence, published in January, 1981.

The substance of what O’Connor (and the others) had to say made its first public appearance in Best Evidence, which was number one on many best seller lists by April of 1981. Further, I arranged to film his account, in October, 1980, at his home in Gainesville, Florida,, and that was broadcast nationally on several shows in the Spring of 1981 (e.g. Tom Snyder) plus in many cities across the U.S. where I went on my book tour, always carrying with me a 3/4” video of O’Connor and the other key Bethesda witnesses.

Neither the way O’Connor’s account became public nor any of the 3 key points that O’Connor made that made his account historically significant is mentioned in the obituary. The obit about Paul O’Connor should be focused on what was important about him as a witness, and the information he had which pointed to fraud in the autopsy; and how those facts became known—not on who fraternized with whom, and in what year.

When then HSCA report was released in July, 1979, and I saw the statement about the body bag, I located O’Connor (and the others), interviewed him (and the others, all in the fall of 1979) and published their accounts. (This is described in Chapter 26 of B.E.)

O’Connor’s statements that the body arrived in a body bag, inside a shipping casket; and that the cranium was empty—all that is nowhere to be found in the obituary but is spelled out in the HSCA (Purdy/Flanagan) Outside Contact Report, and it would have remained locked up until 2029, were it not for the JFK Records Act, which made it available in 1993/94. It only became available in 1981—a full 13 years earlier---because of Best Evidence.

In short, I played the major role in locating and interviewing (at length, and on camera) Paul O'Connor--and seeing to it that he was exposed, repeatedly, to a national television audience. None of that is mentioned in
the obit. Instead, the obit limits my involvement to this single sentence: "Mr. O'Connor was interviewed by David Lifton for Best Evidence”—as if events that happened in 1979-1981 can be ignored. They cannot and should not.

Starting in the Spring of 1981, Paul O’Connor’s face was all over the tv, in national broadcasts (e.g. Tom Snyder show) and in major news shows in individual cities across the country, where I was sent on tour, always carrying 3/4” video tapes of his account. Another burst of publicity occurred on the 20th anniversary (1983), another on the 25th (1988) and still more on the 30th (1993).

As Paul himself said to me back then, “Thanks for putting me on the map, buddy.”

Of course, I realize that the obit ought to be focused on Paul O’Connor, not me; but we are inextricably linked because my book and video were the means by which Paul O’Connor’s critical information became available to the world. The obit, as currently written, misses all that entirely. Instead of being written about the events of 1977-1981, when all this occurred, its as if its focused on the year 2000, or who O’Connor was fraternizing with in the late 1990s, or what he said to William Law 22 years after I first interviewed him and filmed him.

Why in the world is there this misplaced emphasis? The role of B.E. is not just diminished, it is ignored. Further, what O’Connor had to say that was important is also ignored.

The result: that O'Connor's account, and its 3 key features (the way the body arrived--shipping casket, body bag, etc.--and the empty cranium)--is omitted.

That’s like writing an obit of Thomas Edison and omitting the fact that he discovered the electric light bulb.

For your reference, I’m attaching a chronology of my involvement with O’Connor. Perhaps what you generate in the future can be a more accurate reflection of this record."
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11*22*63 A Space Absurdity, Corrected

Thanks to composer Linda Z at Facebook Group JFK ASSASSINATION RESEARCH BUREAU

SBT supporters posit one of the reasons JFK's head and body goes "back and to the left" from the head shot is "neuromuscular reaction". Since I have a medical background Steve Rxx asked me if I could support him on it. Frankly, I've never heard of it before except I connection to the assassination (turns out Belin and Ford on the WC came up with it as an explanation - apparently finding an expert or experts who were willing to testify it exists). I need proof, so I googled around and found this wonderful explanation from a Canadian neurologist, Dr Robert Zacharko, on alt.assassination.jfk in response to a inquiry to him about this theory. Brace yourself, Steve. "Neuromuscular reaction" is complete pseudoscience hogwash.

The Backward Head Snap in the Zapruder Film



I asked Dr. Robert Zacharko, a neuroscientist at Carleton University in Canada,
about the theory that JFK's backward head snap was caused by a neuromuscular
reaction. This is really the only theory that Warren Commission supporters
have to offer as an explanation for the violent backward movement of President
Kennedy's head in the Zapruder film. I wrote to Dr. Zacharko as follows:
In frames 312-313 of the Zapruder film, we see Kennedy's head knocked
forward, but then, suddenly, beginning in frame 314, we see his head and
upper body jolted violently backward and to the left as the rightfrontal
area of his skull explodes. One theory says that this violent backward
motion was the result of a neuromuscular reaction. This reaction would
have had to occur in no more than 56 milliseconds. I have two questions
about this theory:

1. Some object to this theory on the basis that the reaction could not
have occurred so quickly. They point out that the fastest involuntary
reaction known to man is the eye blink, which takes about 40
milliseconds. They argue that this indicates that the backward head snap
would have taken longer to occur, since it involved much more mass. One
author phrases this objection as follows:

. . . it [the head] is suddenly driven forward between frames 312
and 313. Amazingly, in the very next frame, 314, it is already
moving backward, a movement it continues in succeeding frames until
the President's shoulders strike the seat cushion at Z321. . . .
The extremely small time factor combined with the relatively
large mass of the President's head would tend to rule out
such an explanation [i.e., the neuromuscular-reaction theory].
The fastest reflex reaction known to science--the startle
response--takes place over an interval of 40 to 200
milliseconds. Beginning with an eyeblink in 40 milliseconds,
the response wave moves the head forward in 83 milliseconds,
and then continues downward reaching the knees in 200 milliseconds.
The change in direction we observe [in the head snap] occurs in 56
milliseconds (1/18th/second), and involves not the negligible mass
of an eyelid but the considerable mass of a human head
moving forward with an acceleration of several g's.

What is your opinion on the speed of the alleged neuromuscular reaction?

2. One author has objected to the neuromuscular-reaction theory on the
following basis:

A "massive neuromuscular reaction," according to Messrs. Ford
and Belin, occurs when there is "massive damage inflicted to nerve
centers of the brain." The nerve centers of the brain are the
pons, the medulla, the cerebellum--all located in the rear of the
brain. According to the Warren Commission and the HSCA, the head
shot damaged the right cerebral hemisphere of Kennedy's
brain--not a nerve coordination center, not capable of causing
a "massive neuromuscular reaction."

The neuromuscular reaction that supposedly accounts for
the backward snap of Kennedy's head when struck by a
bullet from behind could happen only if a major coordinating
center of the brain is damaged. According to the x-rays and
autopsy photos that lone-gunman theorists champion as
evidence of a shot from behind, those areas of the brain
are intact.

What is your opinion of this objection to the neuromuscular-reaction

Dr. Zacharko responded as follows in an e-mail dated 8 February 1999:

If you ask any neuroscientist what a neuromuscular effect is they will
tell you that it refers to some interface of nerve and muscle for
example. In some cases a simple reflex response (e.g., knee jerk for
example). Can certain reflexes be influenced? Certainly. Do head
movements fall into such a category? No. The head movements that you are

referring to are following the laws of physics. With all due respect to
Belin and Ford I would ask what medical references or more precisely what
research references are being using to document arguments of
neuromuscular reactivity. Simply stated there are none. The pons and
medulla contain centres for respiration, cardiovascular regulation,
visceral reactivity and the like. The cerebellum is also present at this level.
Damage to these areas will interrupt respiration and heart rhythm
and affect motor coordination. Neural damage per se associated with
bullet entry will not cause exaggerated head movement of the type you see
in the Zapruder film. In fact there are no brain sites that will. This
neuromuscular reactivity argument is simply nonsense.[Note: One could
make the argument, ludicrous as it may sound, that Kennedy actually saw
the bullet approaching and jerked his head back reflexively to avoid
being hit.]

The second author does not appear to be any more informed than either
Belin or Ford. There is no such thing as a major coordinating centre.
Those arguments were largely discounted in the 1960's. The brain simply
does not act in such a fashion. It is a coordinated system. Actually
there is a system which is referred to as the extrapyramidal motor
system, which runs from the mesencephalon to the forebrain. It controls
voluntary movement. If this system was to discharge, you would effect
gross motor output. Such discharge would typically represent the invasion
of seizure like activity to motor areas. It would not be coordinated and
certainly not of the type evident in the Zapruder film.

The bottom line is that the head movements are reactions to the direction
of bullet entry. They are not the product of central nervous system
damage. It would almost seem that certain myths are maintained in the
absence of documented data. Information from half-sources of
documentation appear to blend with legitimate sources of information to
provide muddled scenarios.


Dr Robert M. Zacharko
Life Sciences Research Building
Institute of Neuroscience
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

The neuromuscular-reaction theory is the principal hypothesis advanced by
lone-gunman theorists. It is untenable. Their other theory, the jet-effect
theory, is ludicrous. Even Larry Sturdivan told the HSCA that the force that
would have resulted from the right-frontal explosion would have been minimal
(and would have pushed the head leftward, not backward and to the left). In
short, lone-gunman theorists have no explanation for the marked backward head

Mike Griffith


Michael Griffith does a nice job on his webpage explaining how nothing could explain such a rapid motion - except the removal of frames in the Zapruder film
Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film

The Warren Commission said only three shots were fired at President Kennedy. But there is compelling evidence in the Zapruder film alone that six shots were fired. We see reactions to shots in the following frames:
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    Gerald Fxxx A *most* excellent contribution! Thank you. I used to say that reaction could not happen if the area nerve the pro-commission theorists said caused head movement could not have happened if it was blown to a billion pieces upon contact. I mean like if you hit with a stick, but this was an instantaneous explosion obviously seen on the Z-Film. Your contribution here has replaced my dumb-dumb words with intelligent speech! As far as a massive trial if America ever gets this case into a court room - as a Constiutional Lawyer would argue best - I believe using the argument "imperical data is then conversion as direct evidence" certainly applies here. The imperical data is the medical evidence well elaborated on here and in simple enough terms that is medical fact period, and *not* opinion. Science is fact. If argued, it is the fact argued and not a theory, but fact. So the fact established here in the parley is then imperical data for the case and means in a trial it is submitted as Direct Testimony as to the facts of the case and being - there was no nerve struck in the President's head by a weapon causing the head movement. It is compared to like a direct evidence as an authentic autopsy picture or X-Ray, or authentic bullet fragments etc as evidence presented as Direct Testimony and is the facts of the case. Opinions and theories by experts and so on are outside of the facts. From what I read, this is direct medical facts that are not argued but taught in all medical schools and practiced by their graduates. Great piece, than you!
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2014, 10:21:31 am »

A Final Lee Harvey Oswald Note

I must apologize I forgot about this point.

Once more and more came out to the Public about Lee Harvey Oswald, it lead to an obvious point of the trying to decide about him. There split the two views - one that he was "one of ours" (American good guy) who defected to USSR per his assignment as double agent, and two - was he actually a double agent bad guy working for the USSR. More simply, who's side was he on and working for - as it became apparent he was much more involved then being a simple "lone nut" that ran out on America and then vice versa from the USSR.

And so we go to Dallas on November 22, 1963 to the actual events immediately after the assassination up until Oswald himself was shot down in cold blood.

My thoughts are about if he was some American good guy spy working for the government as, one area, of spying on things going on between the United States and Cuba. I also turn to the many "testimonies" by Colonel F. Prouty about the U-2 Spy Plane events and how Oswald had a background in that in the military, and tying into his defection - that he did give up any information about that as part of defection, that it is required to "tell all" you know about the American Military as enemies of the USSR. With the information that came out, it was obvious in other words that Oswald was not a simple Private in the Army. The USSR was or became well aware of his Military service because he had a "loud" profile. He had a Top Secret position in the U-2 Spy Plane scenario. In those days of the Cold War - this was very loud and very spied upon and very sought out for defection from both sides - America and the USSR - trying to recruit traitors to learn military strengths secrets. It was simply routine and par for the course in those days. And so there is no doubt that the USSR was well aware of Oswald's military service background and that if he held back about the U-2 they would obviously have taken some action against him in a rejection in some manner instantly. And then was that the Soviet tactic played in sending him back to America - to make it appear to American Government that the Soviets were treating him well with employment and allowed the KGB niece's hand in marriage as to be "buttering him up" to finally tell all, and that he didn't and so he was returned to America?

But back to Dallas and as thoughts we go to he was an American good guy side again. This would make him an American "asset" as an FBI Informant or CIA or Military and so on. The key thought to focus on here is - was Oswald an American asset? And here we are just after 12:30 P.M. Dallas time Nov 22 1963. Within an hour and so and of all things an American Asset has just been arrested for killing a Police Officer and is going to be charged with assassinating the President of the United States who has just died. Now being an Asset, his whereabouts where known to them.

So picture it. Whether the FBI, CIA, etc they are hearing the news of the assassination and death and 2 plus 2 immediately goes to their Asset Oswald is employed right there at the assassination scene at Dealy Plaza, Dallas. Possibly they are thinking of others in other fashions. Obviously they would be now looking for any reports from their Assets about the assassination - anything they would know no matter how small or great.

So now get this - within those first hours their Asset is about to be charged with assassinating the President of the United States after already being charged with the murder of a Police Officer. Perhaps granting lightening reaction moves upon hearing the name Oswald, it would seem prudent then under all that is required by Law and responsibility and professionalism and expected common compliance that they would have rushed into Dallas Police Station and identify themselves and declare that they have arrested an Asset of the CIA or FBI or Military etc. The Dallas Police would have been assured it was proposterous that this Asset was involved in any manner whatsoever with the assassination of the President. At the worst, the Dallas Police and District Attorney may have argued there was far too much evidence Oswald shot an Officer and argued they were holding him on that, which again would have probably brought in their (FBI CIA etc) superiors who would have assured them the Asset Oswald in no way whatsoever was involved in shooting anyone and perhaps swear them to National Security and show them his record of service as an Asset to convince them and then order his release. The Local News would get stuck with word from the Dallas Police that in some manner the original suspect was indeed the wrong person and was released as having an airtight aliby etc.

BOTTOM LINE...... here is the point made, that if Oswald was a good-guy Asset of the American Government it is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to believe that he would have spent anymore than an hour in custody, as the Dallas Police would have been ordered by Federal Authority to release him immediately, identifying who he was and what he was doing working at the School Book Depository. Any further in time than the hour at most would have ended how it did into a complete on-scence Media Circus by the Free Press - and now that would have to be explained, and Asset compromised, that Asset Oswald was in some manner an undercover agent or informant working for the Government / Agency and was dismissed from charges and released. It is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to believe that the American Government / Agency would leave their Asset to the dogs (malicious prosecution) so that covert activities were not compromised by the Public exposure - even facing trial for the assassination of the President - at the expense of the Asset.

And what was further, it is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to believe that the Oswald Rifle and any evidence found was not immediately being investigated as planted evidence and as Oswald said - making him a "patsy". The full investigation would have been just that - a now, full blown investigation into planted evidence as the murder weapon et al and by who and when and where of it all as being planted to frame their Asset. At that point, it would have been digestible by the Press and Public that an American Asset was set up for the crime and reveal that Oswald was indeed a double agent working for the American Government - a complete known and trusted Asset working under orders and admirably, and that now his undercover identity compromised and the attempted framing for the crimes left no other choice but to take Oswald into Protective Federal Custody and from public eyes and access.

If you indeed have been following my thesis here (and is in polished order in my ebook launched for publication available any minute now for download) and we go to the manner in which the true conspiracy was conducting themselves - we go to two more of their obvious plants then that fits into the entire scenario and as centerpiece as Oswald himself planted as false evidence as an apparent patsy to baffle investigation and was a kamikaze willing to die for it (foreknowledge of being shot in custody transfer). Not far fetched as Gary Powers himself (captured U-2 Pilot in USSR) had a suicide pill to take if caught. So they (real conspirators) persuade Oswald if he shot and killed the President, he would most likely get caught and have taken a suicide pill any way so why not make that work for us - plant you and evidence and then shoot you being transferred from the local Jail. Two more pieces of "plants" ......

Two more pieces of "plants" ......

As the "pristine bullet" was planted on the stretcher as well as the Oswald rifle etc., the Conpirators were as handing American Investigation their "cover story" for a full blown clandestine investigation ongoing. Here they plant Oswald and the rifle and the bullet and fragments and the pristine bullet ends up the "single bullet theory" that was handed to them - not Arlon Spector inventing that, it was that already by the planted evidence - one bullet did it. So as mocking American Investigation - they plant Oswald with giving them the ability to publicly state that Oswald was an American Asset and apparently being framed and has been taken into Federal Protection. Then they have Oswald where they want him - for full interrogation secretly and out of the sight and minds of the Public.

So get this - they also had Billy Nolan Lovelady planted (Oswald look alike outside on Depository steps at time of shooting) so that they are giving the Dallas Police their cover story as the Government / Agency comes in within the hour explaining Oswald and having him released - the Dallas Police then go public and say Oswald was a mistaken person apprehended and actually they were looking for Billy Nolan Lovelady (feasible, they are lookalikes) - and then they go public with that Lovelady had an airtight aliby as he was seen on the steps outfront during the shooting itself (Altgens photo, others).

Now get this.... then after clearing Oswald and Lovelady, the American Investigation is handed the next "plant of evidence" of the clown behind the Grassy Knoll fence that showed a Secret Service Badge at the time of the shooting to a Dallas Police Officer rushing to the scene who let him go. It is to dawn on the Dallas Police to now announce to Free Press that a full blown All Points Bulletin Manhunt is under way to find whoever identified themselves as Secret Service when there was none in service that day at that position, that the Secret Service themselves declare it was an imposter and is now wanted in the case. So these all are the plants handed American Investigation with the premise that if they had anything on the ball they would have ran the story that Oswald was indeed an Asset (as his background showed) and was taken into secret Protective Federal Custody being framed for the assassination (gun planted etc) and feasibly to the Public and Free Press if indeed they wanted to really interrogate Oswald in full privacy with chance to come clean with testifying Soviet involvement (conspirators) and clemency.

And so the real conspirators are there with their pre-judged opinion confirmed that in the crime of the century the Americans suck suck suck. They were handed Oswald on a silver platter for a real and secret National Security interrogation into his knowledge and participation in the conspiracy and completely missed "connecting the dots" because they live in complete naive delusions of grandeur of self worth and relevance and power in the world.

Again - it is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to believe that the American Government would have allowed a good-guy Asset Oswald to be charged with the assassination of the American President and stay in Dallas Police Station jail cell going on 1, 2, 3 days and be gunned down in cold blood while in custody - abandoning him against duty and honor with his would-be noted Service to the United States of America as the Asset he performed - to leave him to stand trial and completely abandoning him altogether. It is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to believe that the Government / Agency would have come in at some later date and explain to some Judge those circumstances and have the trial aborted. They would have had Oswald released into their custody IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUSLY.





You might say here, back up, how could employee Lovelady be a plant if he was working there since 1961. Wouldn't he be a recent employee as Oswald if he was a part of that scenario? And you come to my gut feeling from a bird's eye view as taking an over all view of all the evidence and witnesses and general history of the assassination over and over again. Even with how many times each item is pinned as pin the tail to the donkey and makes sense over all, there is still that feeling something is missing - it is not a real truth looking at it, with all the best truth telling the event as even an 90 percent accuracy or better.... there is just that feeling that there was something much more sinister involved. There was no like claim to it like the modern day terrorists will give claim that they did such and such an atrocity and why. It is too obvious Oswald was not a lone nut assassin and that was that, no matter how hard the ostriches pray to that idol. Indeed it is that much of a conspiracy but then what came of that is the question. It doesn't seem visible in that immediate and ongoing future. What this leads to is my original feeling, perhaps an alternative theory, but actual impression altogether is that the USSR duped President Kennedy and America. The USSR appears to me as having planned the whole Cuban Missile Crisis as a farce a few years before it happened, as to be the whole "we surrender" scenario that played out after taking things to the brink of nuclear engagement probable....

So the duping, the set up, goes that the USSR at plot conception mushrooms to the fake set up of the Cuban Missile Crisis well orchestrated to seem real and surrender, and to then return on November 22 1963 in Dallas and literally blow Kennedy's brains out in broad daylight putting America and the World on notice as to who was in command of them with the message this is what any next American President will get if he tries to ever come against the USSR again with surrender or else ultimatums. And it plays out. Viet Nam and illegal surrounding nation's involvements including China go unpunished with no war Declaration. For macho bravado the Warren Commission gets called a cover up instead of a put it all away and let's run away and play ostrich in Viet Nam rather than prosecute the USSR and retaliate. It moves to assassinating MLK with the screw you Eisenhower and Kennedy and your Christian Civil Rights and right to assassinating Robert Kennedy with the don't even think about it - run for President and open the JFK Assassination Case for prosecution. From there to the invasion by the USSR into Czechoslovakia with the I dare you to do something about it. On and on up to sanctioning terrorism against the U.S. and Israel and promoting oil wars with O.P.E.C. - economic wars against the United States and a thousand events in between.

This is a good look at when the Cuban Missile Crisis was born - how deployed and escalating to the point of the crisis. Good history brief:
Cuban Missile Crisis

There is no way either, to simply believe the Cuban anti-communist crowd killed Kennedy when everyone knows it was the high ranking officer in command of the air support that disobeyed orders causing the fiasco they site over and over again. Neither does anybody really believe that rich businessmen assassinated Kennedy to get even richer over a drummed up lasting Viet Nam A Go-Go War. Nobody believes all the bullshidt handed out from bullshidt researchers about all the bullshidt scenarios of rich men of power did it. Bullshidt. Nobody believes the American mob did it either. None of those had the far reaching hands into what is always called the national cover up. None of any of those could orchestrate that much power and control. The whole LBJ was the power behind it all is as a child's tale made up, fantasy. None of all the tales of who did it - who financed it - hold water or make sense. Presidents in the world have not been killed for these flimsy reasons. No American President has ever been assassinated, or attempt, simply for financial gain. It was much bigger and much more sinister than a fistful of dollars. Recently watching the Oswald trial movie of 1977 I believe it was, there was one line that makes the sense. It went something like Oswald is the whole centerpiece and key to the assassination. You define Oswald and you define the conspiracy.

In defining Oswald to define the conspiracy - the one major part of all this is that Oswald predates the Kennedy Administration, and so does the Gary Powers U-2 Spyplane shoot down and capture. Oswald predates all this back to the Eisenhower Administation.

Lee Harvey Oswald as a Marine radar specialist in Japan and California, Oswald had access to extensive classified information regarding radars, flight patterns, and in particular the new US height-finding radar that would have been of exceptional interest to the KGB in regard to the U-2 spy flights. Oswald told US Embassy officials in Moscow that he intended to reveal sensitive information to the Soviets. In October 1959, after a two-year stint as a radar operator, Oswald became the first Marine to defect to the Soviet Union. Gary Powers, pilot of the U-2 flight downed in May, 1960, suggested that Oswald might have betrayed to the Soviets information that they used to shoot down the U-2. This seems very believable, and it would mean that Oswald had proved himself a loyal communist and one who had provided precious information to the USSR - so the KGB would have trusted him. Oswald returned from the Soviet Union in June 1962.

My pin the tail on the donkey was that, as reported and discussed by Colonel Fletcher Prouty that there was the stronger more powerful camera in the U-2 Spyplane that photographed the missile complex in Cuba confirming to the President their existence and status and used to expose them at the U. N. was the hah- hah America wins..... we caught you with your hand in the cookie jar and you thought all we had was the Gary Powers model camera (else why else would they have them out in the open like that if they knew they would be seen plainly). But the Kennedy assassination scenario here - its reasons - show a World conquest implication. American politics have been the posture as defending the peace and not any world conquest, even with the promoting of democracy worldwide. However the much more sinister act of this duping of America and then blow them away as the opposing super power seems to have accomplished that for some time as a world conquest act, and is actually what the Communist Manifesto International promotes - world conquest.

Mind boggling Oswald Doubles......

So Lovelady plant as early as 1961 in School Book Depository in Dallas ? The USSR new Oswald very well already, not far fetched at all considering the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred in the next year and assassination in the next. 

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